Posts by IT Support

I'm thinking about those in control of the WT, since they are at the top and have a view from the top down this view must scream to their intelligence,, that they are not god's channel,,here indeed vanity would be a very strong force to push them over the edge of clear logical thinking,, a kind of dulling effect on the responciblity to be truthfull with one's self and others.

I certainly agree that one would think that the GB ought to be embarassed by their self-aggrandising and delusional view of themselves. But I'm really not sure that they can all be tarred with the same brush.

On the one hand, I genuinely believe Don Cameron hit the nail on the head in his recent book, Captives of a Concept (the concept in question being that the Society is God's chosen organisation): I think many, possibly the majority, of the GB themselves are as much captives as are all JWs, and, indeed, as we all used to be. Having known a number of the GB over the years, I can vouch that some of them were, and presumably still are, as genuine and humble and honest as you could want--okay, they are naive, but they truly believe they are doing God's will.

(The real problem arises when an organisation believes it is divinely appointed--like the Jesuits of old, their zeal supplants their compassion and they then fall victim to the idea that 'the end justifies the means.')

On the other hand, I think some of them, a minority, are cynical in their manipulation of the majority of the GB. Is it their vanity that drives them? Quite possibly. And maybe also their love of power, of controlling other peoples' lives.

Regards,

Ken

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Today, I'm Going To Bring The "Crisis of Conscience "Book To My Mother

by minimus in

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my mother has been expressing to us how she reluctantly is beginning to see that the organization indeed has some problems.

she is starting to "feel" that things aren't right.

this past thursday, they gave a "marking" talk for my daughter who hasn't attended a meeting in years.

IT Support

Hi minimus,

What gets me is that these elders admit that they themselves would not've pursued anything but because the CO told them they had, the puppets followed orders.

I can feel your hurt coming through your words. I know it won't make things feel any better, but remember, it's not 'personal' in that they're not targetting your mother directly, they probably genuinely belive they're 'doing the right thing'? and would have done just the same with anyone else.

To be blunt, I now shudder at some of the things I've done in the past--in retrospect I think I must have been self-righteous and pompous. I wasn't meaning to be, it's just the 'system.'

Might not your mother's hurt open her eyes?

Best wishes,

Ken

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Welcome my sister to JWD!

by MelbaToast in

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hey.. i know you're lurking around here somewhere sis.

why dont you introduce yourself?.

fyi: i have been talking to my sister (who is also df'd) about how this board has helped me.

IT Support

everytime they try logging on, all they get is crazy mixed up characters

That's not very polite, before she's even got to know us all.

Btw, welcome little sister. (Is a smaller piece of Melba toast a crouton?)

Regards,

Ken

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"Greater Fulfilment"

by IT Support in

the society claim that many prophecies have a "greater fulfilment.

daniel 4 was not only fulfilled with king nebuchadnezzar, but has a "greater fulfilment" in telling when the gentile times will end.

has the society ever tried to justify this practise?

IT Support

City Fan,

Thanks for your interesting comments. May I ask:

what was the fulfilment of Dan 2:44?
when was the book of Daniel written?
was it actually written by Daniel?

'Daniel' by John J. Collins from fortresspress.com

Looks like I'll have to add this to my (already pages-long) reading list!

Regards,

Ken

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"Greater Fulfilment"

by IT Support in

the society claim that many prophecies have a "greater fulfilment.

daniel 4 was not only fulfilled with king nebuchadnezzar, but has a "greater fulfilment" in telling when the gentile times will end.

has the society ever tried to justify this practise?

IT Support

startingover,

During a discussion with my loyal dub wife this morning, she brought up Daniel 2 and the image with the golden head, etc. I haven't given it much thought until now, but the JW interpretation does seem to fit. Comments anyone?

City Fan's comment,

Daniel 2 is one of those 'prophecy written after the event' type chapters.

may well be true, but I haven't read the evidence.

However, it may be that WT's explanation is partially true, with the head, breasts and arms, belly and thighs and legs referring to Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.

But I don't believe their explanation of the feet and toes (Ango-American world power). Whereas Daniel's explanation of the other parts of the image refer first to Babylon (v38), then "another kingdom" (Medo-Persia: v39), then "another kingdom, a third one" (Greece: v39), then "the fourth kingdom" (Rome: v40), verses 41-43 don't talk about 'another kingdom' but rather that the kingdom (presumably still talking about Rome) would "be divided."

Then, while still talking about either Rome--or a divided Rome--verse 44 mentions God's "kingdom that will never be brought to ruin." It seems to me that this might refer to Jesus' appearance on earth, and the subsequent spread of Christianity throughout the earth.

However, that's just my speculation, I'm sure others have studied it thoroughly. Can anyone else comment more authoritatively?

Regards,

Ken

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Today, I'm Going To Bring The "Crisis of Conscience "Book To My Mother

by minimus in

jw
friends

my mother has been expressing to us how she reluctantly is beginning to see that the organization indeed has some problems.

she is starting to "feel" that things aren't right.

this past thursday, they gave a "marking" talk for my daughter who hasn't attended a meeting in years.

IT Support

Minimus,

How about showing your mum a quote from the old Truth book:

Since we do not want our worship to be in vain, it is important for each one of us to examine his religion. We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated. Are its teachings in full harmony with God's Word, or are they based on the traditions of men? If we are lovers of the truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination? (The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, 1968, p 13)

Actually does anyone have a Truth book they can scan: I'd love a scan of that page for my own parents.

Regards,

Ken

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Captives of a Concept Book

by FairMind in

recently on this website i learned of a book entitled "captives of a concept" and there was a link to a website where it could be purchased.

i purchased this book ($5.00 for a down load in pdf format) and have completed 128 of the 148 pages.

this is a fantastic book and i recommend it to all who want validation that the society is not god's organization.. the concept of course that holds all jw's captive is that those of the professed anointed (really the gb) comprise the faithful and discreet slave of jesus' illustration.

IT Support

I got the printed version, it arrived a couple of weeks ago.

It's worth every penny. It's superb. Buy it.

Regards,

Ken

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Did anyone say anything unusual at the doors?

by badboy in

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i believe william schnell was once told that the only way to get light from a wt was to set fire to it!.

did anyone say anything of an usual matter to you while you were on the doors?.

IT Support

Years ago I called on an old man who said he wasn't interested. I did my usual JW response: is JWs or the Bible you're not interested in?

JWs he replied. "I remember them saying Millions Now Living Will Never Die. It wasn't true. I've never listened to them since." I don't remember what I said.

Only now do I realise what a wise old man he was.

Regards,

Ken

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Today, I'm Going To Bring The "Crisis of Conscience "Book To My Mother

by minimus in

jw
friends

my mother has been expressing to us how she reluctantly is beginning to see that the organization indeed has some problems.

she is starting to "feel" that things aren't right.

this past thursday, they gave a "marking" talk for my daughter who hasn't attended a meeting in years.

IT Support

Well done, I hope all goes well.

Regards,

Ken